Posted by: jiminmontana | February 2, 2011

My interactions with a Muslim

I have had some dealings with a Muslim on-line.  What a trip.  What a h8r.

This is posted to give you a feel for what it’s like to attempt to communicate with someone of this “religious” ilk.  We are here discussing the issue of the Trinity.  Following  is my first communication, his crazy response, and my final reply.

My First Communication

There is a plurality within a single set, such as a cluster of grapes is one set of several individuals. In the “Shema Israel” found in Deuteronomy 6:4 — “Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD”, the word used there for “one” is this type of “one within a set”, being the Hebrew word “echad”. In defense against this supposed Christian heresy of trinitarianism, several rabbis have recently urged that they actually change the Shema from the “echad” term to “yachid” which is the Hebrew term for distinct singularity.

In Exodus 26:6, the various parts of the Tabernacle (mishkan) are to be constructed so that “it shall be one (echad) tabernacle. Also, Ezekiel spoke of two “sticks” (representing fragmented Israel) as being reunited into one: “and they shall be one (echad) stick in My hand” (Ezekiel 37:19).

Thus, the Shema clearly informs us that YHVH is a unification of a plurality — Eloheim, plural and united. The only time that this union was disrupted was on the Cross, when the Messiah asked “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” He asked this of the Father and of the Spirit which was no longer inspiring the Man, Yeshua, since He was then being held forensically damned for Sin in the Court of God’s Holy Wrath.

Psa 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. How can there be two Lords in this conversation? David is saying this: “YHVH said to my Lord”. David is the king of Israel, but is speaking of a Lord higher than himself. This is Messiah, who later became the son of David — and forever more shall be.

Proverbs 30:4 asks, “who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son’s name”? Muhammad, you will only know the answer to these two questions when the Spirit, the Third Person of Eloheim, inspires your human spirit to accept this Truth. I ask you — and I dare you — to end thirty days in a row with the simple prayer, “If Jesus is Lord, then let me know, personally. If this is a lie, then forgive me for asking.”

Lord, bless this man with your Grace!

Mohammad’s Crazy Response

“the word used there for “one” is this type of “one within a set”, being the Hebrew word “echad”.”
What a great liar you are, and those who put forward this lie!How Satan deceives you with your eyes and ears open?This is a historical disease of Jews and Christians most vociferously denounced in Qur’aan that has destroyed the Eternal Life after Death of Aakhirah of countless humans.Why Jews and Christians play with the Fire of Jahannam?What the true religion preached by Jesus,Peace be upon Him , has to do with what a Mulhid(who commits distortion in God’s Words(Aayaat) in general and God’s Laws(Ahkaam) in particular) rabbi perverts centuries later?If even Shema has not remained immune from the corruption by Jews and Christians which emphasizes what was considered by Noah,Peace be upon Him,Abaraham,Peace be upon Him, Jacob,Peace be upon Him,Jesus,Peace be upon Him, and Moses,Peace be upon Him The Greatest Commandment of Echadness(Tawheed of Allaah-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah) upon which the Salvation(Najaat) of humanity ultimately depends, what else can remain immune from corruption of Jews and Christians?

There are Jews who consider the Shema to be the most important part of the prayer service, and its twice-daily recitation as a mitzvah (religious commandment). There are Jews who say the Shema as their last words(like Muslims who are commanded to say Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah on their deathbed), and parents teach it to their children before they go to sleep at night.

The significance God taught Moses,Peace be upon Him, to attach to Echadness(Tawheed) is evident from:
6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. 7 Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. 8 Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. 9 Write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates.

Jesus,Peace be upon Him is emphasizing Shema when asked about First Commandment of all,as :
There is none other commandment greater than these.

Jewish Rabbis and Christian priests are the biggest liars in human history just like neo-pagan philosophers.Who gave the right to Ilhaad(Distortion) to the Maimonides, or any rabbi, to dare to change even the words of Shema.

Although Muslims consider Qur’aan as the Furqaan-Benchmark for Truth and Muhaymin-Watcher of Truth within the polluted texts, yet remnants of truth therein cry out sometimes even on their own.Jews and Christians do not even follow their own man-made rules.If you are not honest with the scriptures believed supposedly “inerrant”, which even don’t deserve to be faithful to,how could you and your dishonest forefathers could have treated the true Gospel with far lesser interpolations and greater incongruities with the blasphemies and idolatries you and they espoused?Fear God and Day of Judgement when Jews and Christians will be punished for their lies as clear as the light of the sun.
What a simplistic joke it is for a Hebrew speaking person to be told that Echad-One of Hebrew counting is Three , and what a shock would it have been a Hebrew-speaking Prophet coming to know that Echadness(Tawheed of Allaah-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah) is being exploited for its very antithesis.There is no difference in the dishonesty of neo-pagan and ortho-pagan liars, who distort and hide the Truth about One God from humanity and destroying their own Eternal Life after Death of Aakhirah, and their blind followers.The neo-pagan liars about God fail to love God with all their heart, while ortho-pagan liars fail to love God with all their mind and understanding.Every single human being is capable of the Knowledge of Oneness,Echadness and Tawheed of Allaah-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah, that’s why Allaah says:
19. Know that-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah( There is no god but Allah)
Soorah Muhammad

Deuteronomy 17:6
On the testimony of “two” or “three” witnesses a person is to be put to death, but no one is to be put to death on the testimony of “echad”(only one) witness.

The plural of Echad is Achadim in Hebrew.

If we consider two instances of Echad as two days.I go to market and ask for Echad(One) candle.The other day, I ask for Echad(One) Packet of candles, this doesn’t change the fact that I bought Echad candle on the first day.The meaning of first numeral of Hebrew counting doesn’t change the meaning of Echad on first day because the word Echad of Hebrew counting was used for a Packet of candles the next day.If I go to market the third day and ask for Echad(One) candle,he will give me Echad candle not Echad packet,simply because I bought Echad packet yesterday.If the Echad packet contains three candles,he would be a liar to say that I didn’t buy Echad candle on the first and third day, but bought three candles on the first and third day, simply because I used the word Echad on the second day.When God is commanding Moses, Peace be upon Him, the Greatest Commandment of Echadness(Tawheed of Allaah-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah), He had used very precise word which had to close the door of trinitarianism or even greater number of idols like in Hinduism or Pantheism(where everything is treated as god).
If Shirk can be proved from Echadness(Tawheed of Allaah-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah), then every other Satanic and pagan idea can be made sacred according to whims of people in an instant from Bible.

Allaah’s Echadness(Tawheed-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah) will prevail when Allaah causes Descension(Nuzool) of Messiah,Peace be upon Him, because Echadness(Tawheed) is already corrupted both by Jews and Christians.

Allaah The Exalted says:
112:1.Say(O Muhammad),He is Allah, The Ahad(The One)
112:2.Allah is As-Samad(He is Independent of all needs, neither eats not drinks like man(bashar))
112:3.He begetteth not(Lam Yalid), nor is He begotten(wa Lam Yoolad);
112:4.Nor is there to Him any Kufuw( Equivalent)
Soorah Ikhlaas(The Unity, Purity, Oneness Of Allah,Sincerity)

How accurately Messiah,Peace be upon Him’s Nuzool for the Echadness(Tawheed) to prevail in the world is described in a text I found:
And the era of Moshiach is described as “the day that G-d will be echad, and His name echad.”

Doesn’t this cry out that the Echadness(Tawheed-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah) taught by Moses,Peace be upon Him, and Messiah,Peace be upon Him, will degenerate into Shirk which Allaah categorically asserts in Qur’aan as the case with both Christianity in the form of trinitarian and incarnation idolatries and Judaism in the form of Rabbis perverting God’s Word and God’s Laws? Why did Moses,Peace be upon Him, and Messiah Peace be upon Him were emphasizing the First Commandment of Tawheed-Laa Ilaaha ill Allaah(Echadness) ,because they had feared that their followers may be seduced and deceived by Shaitaan, and this actually happened, only to be restored by Messiah,Peace be upon Him, upon His Nuzool.

“Lord, bless this man with your Grace!”
Isn’t it a euphemism for keeping yourself and others to wander in the darkness of self-imposed ignorance about Truth of One God.God’s Grace and Rahmah is forever forbidden to idolaters and interpolators,unless they repent from it.

A peripheral but very important point I would share here is:The Religion of Prophets,Peace be upon them, was not a set of vague instructions about being nice.True Religion in more than that.If people consider you nice, it doesn’t make you a follower of True Religion of One God.Being considered nice is a seductive trap for priests and rabbis which becomes their obstacle to Truth of Islam.
“I ask you — and I dare you — to end thirty days in a row with the simple prayer”
All Muslims pray to One God and fast for thirty days in a row every year in Ramadan.This blasphemous lie does’t deserve to be tolerated for even a single day for a spiritually honest individual.
“If Jesus is Lord, then let me know, personally. If this is a lie, then forgive me for asking.”
It is Haraam to ask God for something that is explicitly denounced in Scripture.No one deserves to be forgiven for asking God to “make you know ” a lie, which He has already made known to be a lie through Moses,Peace be upon Him, and Jesus,Peace be upon Him.You can ask a person to be willing to accept God’s Curse in case he is a liar, and you can pray to God to curse him if you are truthful.If you are willing, I will pray to God to curse you if you are obstinately persisting in the lie of trinitarian idolatry.
Jews and Christians have no option but to seek solace in the self-imposed ignorance about Islam which clearly and uncompromisingly states the Truth of One God and Truth about Messiah,Peace be upon Him.

That’s why,Muhammad sall Allâhu ‘alaihi wasallam categorically said:

“By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Nâr(Fire of Jahannam(Hell))

Allaah The Exalted says:
18:110.Say(O Muhammad): “I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your god is One God.Whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.
Soorat-ul-Kahf

It is interesting that in Qur’aanic denunciation of corruption of trinitarian idolatry and Shirk,word Three(Thalaathah) of Arabic counting is explicitly used just like Echad of Hebrew counting is explicity used in Shema.Trinity is called Tathleeth in Arabic.
Allaah The Exalted says:
4:171. (Picktall) Say not “Three”.Cease! (it is) better for you! Allah is only One God.
Soorah an-Nisaa

You have opened a great door of opportunity for me to focus on to substantiate the Truth of Islam, and to call and invite(Da’wah il Allaah) humanity towards Tawheed of Allaah, from the remnants of truth in corrupted Scriptures.

My Final Reply

M.E. –

The venomous quality of your attack is a clear indication of the difference between the origin of Islam and the reality of Life in the Messiah of Grace. Your diatribe was not a very winsome attempt to convert me to your religion, Mo.

May I suggest that you are not being a good Muslim in that you have encouraged infidels to read a translation of the Quran in a language other than that which was presented to the illiterate Mohammad. The Jewish scholar he captured and coerced to write the diabolical book made a mess out of the language as best he could, so Mohammad forced the original language to change at the point of a spear. Sadly, this religion cannot inspire Muslim nations to live together harmoniously, causes the borders of Muslim nations to gush with gore, perpetuates the poor treatment of women, etc. Were it not for oil money, the majority of Arabic people would still be living in goat-hair tents, taking baths with sand, and having no electricity by which to operate a computer.

You chose to overlook the bullet-proof argument that was logically delivered to you, specifically, that YHVH does not self-describe as “yachid” in the Shema. Rage is always an option for someone who has lost a debate.

Since you have sinned against Allah by distributing the Quran in English, “Allah the Capricious” may easily turn against you. He who “weighs the life in a balance” is free to dislike you personally, and damn your soul no matter what you do to add to your good works. Jihad is the only solution for such a sinner as yourself. Your only hope is to murder infidels who will not convert to your religion of fear and hate. Raise an “extra” child to become a suicide bomber and things like that. Bathe in my blood and hack my children to pieces. You know what you must do if you desire to be certain of earning the paradise. Then you can mistreat 7 or 70 virgins forever, etc. (What do good Muslim women get, I wonder?)

I heard a good sermon last night wherein YHVH makes the world perfect through division and reunion. On the first day, He separated the light from the darkness in order to create one (echad) day that contained diversity within its union. Similarly, He took the woman OUT of the man in order to rejoin them as distinct and unique individuals — united in a potentially wonderful way. This quality of distinction within unification is Echad — this is the quality by which YHVH has revealed Himself.  Hear, O Israel (and hear, O Muhammad), YHVH is this kind of YHVH.

You will robotically disagree with this line of thought, although you won’t be able to do it very well. So, sadly, I am done communicating with you for now. I prayerfully hand you over to YHVH and have full faith that He will know how to deal with you wisely.

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Responses

  1. I had been deliberately provocative due to seriousness of the Sin of Shirk and Idolatry.I have a firm belief in the sincerity of Muhammad sall Allaahu ‘alaihi wasallam when he said:
    “By Him in Whose hand is the life of Muhammad, he who amongst the community of Jews or Christians hears about me, but does not affirm his belief in that with which I have been sent and dies in this state (of disbelief), he shall be but one of the denizens of Nâr(Fire of Jahannam(Hell))
    Transmitted by Imaam Muslim,May Allaah bestow Mercy upon Him,(rahimahullaah)
    I hope you also sincerely want to “save” Muslims from Hell after they die.
    neorient@gmail.com


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